L’impact* de la crise en Grèce (*expliqué en patates)

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  1. mikenetherlands says:

    Wait an moment! We have to start in 2002, the year Greece was celebrating the euro and we were crying for the lost of our beloved florin. Before that (2002) , I was driving in a car 10 years old, and the Greek people were also driving in that kind of cars. The income from the Greeks was low, for us Greece was very cheap.

    And then it started. I still driving an 16 year old car, the Greeks I know had brand new cars, made trips to to Bahama’s, you didn’t had an holiday because at every corner the was an construction place with shouting workers and very noisy tools, villa’s and hotels came out of the ground like mushrooms.

    Bars and restaurants increased there prices whit in your holiday! So, the start of your holiday was cheaper than the end! And the Greeks stared to feel pity with me, the poor fellow from Holland.

    Greek families ordered four times more in tavrena’s to show how mutch money they had. They didn’t eat it! Only to impress people. I have seen that many times. And don’t say this is untrue! I saw it with my own eyes. A plumber who also was working for the dimagion bult a villa, a think for 600.000 euro. Swimmingpool, seaview, everything. Where did he find that money? I know a brand new road on South Crete, what ends up in a…partycenter! And many, many thinks more.

    Apartments were 6000 drachmes in 2002, ended up 120 euro in 2008! The same apartment. Real estate prices were going sky high. With an economic based on nothing.

    OK in 2008 the salaries are dropping, but what else did you expect? That is the end of every bubble. You have to start in 2002, not in 2008.

    I am real sorry for the Greek people, but I think they first have to clean there one house….

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    • Mike, I understand your fear. Ultimately someone has to pay, and in the end it will be the less well off anywhere else.

      But that doesn’t seem to bother Syriza in its resentment politics.

      Maybe they manage to bring down the whole Eurozone, who knows. The idea may have friends all over the world.

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      • mikenetherlands says:

        I have read somewhere I (Everbody) in Holland have to pay over 500 euro for the Greek deal. And did you know that the Greeks aboard got free airway tickets for voting before 2008? They chanted it for two budget tickets and had an free holiday at that time….

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      • It is not true that Greeks abroad got free tickets en-mass. What used to happen is that the political parties would offer some tickets to their members. In order to get them you needed to go and beg the local party mullah. I know of the practice but never met anyone who actually did it. This has contributed to the insolvency of parties in Greece, most recently ND.

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      • Well Mike, what exactly do you mean by “free airway tickets for voting before 2008”?

        Why before 2008?

        But since you mentioned that date, I wonder, why it is absent in the larger debate for longer now. It did after all have an impact. But surely you cannot blame Syriza with anything you heard about 2008 elections. Can you? Besides sounds like interested rumors to me.

        Look, its pretty easy really, I have been following more vaguely the neo-imagery of Germans as Nazis for a while, but if Germany left the Eurozone maybe the Eurozone will survive. And all will be fine?

        Now yes, you and me will need an extra purse after, in case we want to cross borders into a country close by. I am a Cologne citizen.

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    • mikenetherlands says:

      Aha, that makes everything clear iGlinavos. The story the state paid for it came after I said that it was shocking to chance the tickets for two cheap ones.

      I don’t know what you mean LeaNder, I am saying that if you have to look from 2002 till 2015, not from 2008 till 2015.

      Between 2002 and 2008 the Greeks were walking ATM’s, trowing borrowed money around them.

      And if you look there income falling from 2002 till 2015 you get a compleet different picture. It has noting to do with SYRIZA. That is what I wanted to say.

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  2. VAT of 23% on food/aliments is of course pretty outrageous.

    It was 7% last time I checked over here, basics only, I think. Not everything you can buy in a supermarket.

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    Iannos, one question. Assuming you can still vote in Greece and didn’t give up your citizenship. I know of no Greek over here that did.

    Did you vote for Syriza based on this Syriza election program

    One more? Apart from the fact that the prosecution of Iannos is nonsense of course, why should I feel sorry for him? Or join the chorus that he is hunted by nefarious forces? But strictly if one plays with all type of larger conspiracy scenarios, they may come back to haunt one.

    Strictly, and I have no doubt there is a high chance I could be wrong, it looks to me as if Yanis played a rather high stake gamble. If he doesn’t want to be considered a martyr, why does he not publish the results of his high profile adviser group? And give the world a chance to decide for themselves?

    Admittedly the leaked parts of his plan B irritated me no end, both by listening to the tape and reading the transcript after.

    Considering he used all Greek citizen as part of his gamble, at least according to the bits we know about it now,, this no doubt must raise questions. Many really from my point of view. And I am a democrat at heart first and only a liberal after.

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    • Ooops, yes I should do other things and am multitasking again.

      “the prosecution of Iannos” : Strike Iannos and add Yanis.

      But yes, the more I reflect on the issue of the audio-conference both video and transcript, the more I wonder about Yanis knowledge in law. At least over here had he decided to finish his studies in economics instead of changing to law, he would have gotten at least a glimpse on areas that may indeed be a bit dangerous legally.

      Nevermind I appreciate the work of Wikileaks and/or Edward Snowdon, but maybe you should reflect anyway as minister of finances of a state?

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  3. Sorry your comment could not be posted:

    “Unveiling how previous Greek governments turned crucial government departments, such as the General Secretariat of Public Revenues and the Hellenic Statistical Office, into departments effectively controlled by the troika and reliably pressed into the service of undermining the elected government.”

    You should write more explicitly about this. So far the public did get only tiny glimpses.
    I would assume you had a lot of time and an expert IT friend on your side to collect evidence for the control of Greece by the Troika. Can we get data about that?

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    • I think there were very good reasons for the Troika to overlook the institutions you mentioned.

      http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/07/lies-damned-lies-and-greek-statistics.html

      But if the Greek wish to live in cloud-cuckoo land, they are welcome to it (as far as I’m concerned) but I doubt whether all other eurozone countries will agree to finance it.

      Stäuble made the Greek an offer (orderly Grexit) they shouldn’t have refused. According to Dijsselbloem negotiations on the third bail-out will take at least 4 weeks if not longer.

      By then, holidays will be over and it will be clear that the 80 bn (now talked about) will not be enough. French and Belgium farmer are already struggling, wonder what they will say if their government decides to hand out some more money to the Greek.

      France itself hasn’t met the eurozone commitment ( to keep the budget within 3% of GPD) for at least 5 years and should be fined according to the rules.

      I’m afraid patience has ran out and it is about time we recognize the eurozone was a mistake.

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      • Pim, the “le” in the end is the standard GermanSouthern diminutive and means “little something”. It’s rather frequent in the area around Stuttgart or Swabia. Less in the South closer to the Swiss border or Alsace/France where I was born, And where he apparently grew up too. At least not as far as I remember.

        In any case Haus = house; Häusle= little house.

        Staub=dust, Stäuble = little dust.

        It made me laugh.

        We can call him “dusty”. 😉

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  4. With reference to the “potato” clip illustrating the distress in daily Greek life, a similar clip could be made on living circumstances in Sudan, Eritrea or Zimbabwe, to name just a few places. Always works to get empathic supporters on board for the idea that the rich (i.e. the other ones) should open their wallets.

    Sorry for my apparent cynicism. The issue is not how miserable the humanitarian situation is or could be. The question is how to provide assistance at the places where it is effectively used by the beneficiaries themselves for creating sustainable income.

    There are private initiatives addressing this question in the third world through the provision of microcredit, see for instance Incofin https://www.incofin.com/en/node/1217/
    Everybody benefits, there’s even a (small) return on the invested capital.

    The social return per euro invested in such initiatives is orders of magnitude higher than a “solution” of pouring billions into a hungry minotaur black hole where the money evaporates in unproductive consumption booms, capital flight, and bank losses on dubious and fraudulent defaults.

    The Incofin concept works because of a three-tier (indirect) approach via local MFIs (microfinance institutions, comparable to local banks), that are very carefully screened and closely monitored on their financial and social performance by expert Incofin staff and agents. Actually such monitoring on the performance of public administrations is exactly what is needed in Greece and what the troika does (or should be able to do), in a spirit of cooperation in good faith with the Greek authorities. In order to work well, in the advantage of the population, the good faith must come from both sides.

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      • mikenetherlands says:

        I think your opinions reflects what most people are thinking in North Europe. I can understand it very well, but don’t share this opinion.

        Greece is no Sudan, Eritrea or Zimbabwe, Greece is a country with potential, destroyed by greed, mismanagement and stupidity. But, in my opinion, Greece belongs to the European family and in the Euro. And needs desperate our help. I share Yanis his fear (Will the IMF throw the spanner in the works? – as I feared and Dr Schäuble hoped?). An Gexit will be a disaster for Greece and Europa. And the end of the Euro. My hope is Tsipars and Efklidis Tsakalotos. And, as I said, I hope Yanis will help them by supporting them.

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      • All to easy membership of the EU is confused with membership of the Eurozone. No problem with Greece being member of the European family however being member of the eurzone requires a kind of discipline that that Greece (for years now) find difficult to accept.

        Fair enough, but then don’t join a club if you do not wish to respect its rules.

        Grexit of course will bring hardship, but the third bail-out will do that too. The difference is that Greece (being in charge of their own currency) can determine their own future at their own pace.

        No doubt that they should sort out their economy for their own sake, but if they want to take their time. Fine with me.

        Should Greece be entitled for help? Of course, Europe helps Bulgaria and Romania too, but the help should come from all members of the European family en not only from the eurozone.

        Interesting to see what Britain, Poland, Denmark and others have to say about that.

        The advantage of a Grexit (in my opinion) is, it brings clarity for both. The Eurozone and Greece.

        And from my background as a chemicals trader if learned, the first loss is always the best loss. Meddling on, like we do now, won’t improve anything. We better draw a line, take our losses and start rebuilding again.

        But politicians can’t do that. They can’t admit they make mistakes. They rather pull wool over our eyes about their successes. So we continue “blaming the foreigners”.

        See also http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/07/lies-damned-lies-and-greek-statistics.html

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      • mikenetherlands says:

        No, I am only talking about the euro. In my opinion you are right in te short time. But a country is not a firm. In long terms I think it is better to keep Greece in the euro.

        Greece is only 2% of the GNP of the eurozone. Back to the Drachme will be a enormous lose for the Greek population and the firms that based there. Import products will be very expensive in Greece. We have to support (yes, we!) the German and French banks.

        Political the eurozone will disintegrate. It is in nobody’s interest.

        Don’t believe Lafazanis and Iskra! They believe there is enough cash money in Greece to support their Drachme. They partly are right, but if the people will save that money? And if they don’t spend that what I believe? And at the long term? Who is going to pay for imports of petrol, medicines, food, etc? (Greece only produces 50% of it’s food.) How do they want to pay it at all? Europe? Forget it! Tourist revenue are 18%, but that is brutto. Food, drinks, petrol etc. for the tourists you have to import. And partly the revenues are going aboard. And the Greek banks? They will collapse.

        At the end an Grexit will be much more expensive for us and the Greeks. And they don’t get there freedom back, because they have to go to other country’s like Russia. And mister Putin doesn’t serve free lunches. Maybe some left- radical Greeks believe that he does, but the wall has fallen in 1989.

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      • You have gobbled quite a number of arguments together which I can’t address in one post.

        You say “Political the eurozone will disintegrate. It is in nobody’s interest.”

        Well the aim of the eurozone is not to have a political union, but to have a monetary union.

        There is noting political about it. The union is governed by a set of rules. There are advantages to be part of that union and disadvantages.

        Because of certain disadvantages some countries like Britain, Denmark, Sweden and Poland decided not to join the Eurozone. No problem.

        Only Greece thought they could have a free ride by not playing by the rules, but still have the advantages.

        That (in the end) went wrong and now we face a lot of bullshit about self-determination and democracy.

        A monetary union has nothing to do with democracy. It is a set of rules you agree on to keep your currency sound an safe. Nothing more, nothing less. If you don’t like the rules, get out of the union and make your own set of rules.

        So I don’t see why the eurozone “politically” would disintegrate if Greece would leave the eurozone. Given the fact that 98 % of its GNP would stay inside.

        Furthermore I have the firm believe that all the attempts to keep Greece in the euro ultimately will fail en will cause more damage than the orderly “exit” that had been on offer.

        This of course will make me in the eyes of the average Greek a communist. I’m not, I am just practical.

        If you do want to be part of a monetary union, you abide to it’s rules, otherwise you are out.

        Greece won’t be the first country that defaults on its debts, it will almost certainly not the last.

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      • mikenetherlands says:

        I am a bit more optimistic. 80% of the Greek population want to stay in the eurozone and they understand now that Europe is bigger than Greece I suppose. It is their last chance, if they blow it it is finito Greece in the eurozone.

        Do you know that most Greeks I have spoken didn’t have a clou how Europe is working? They had mostly the idea the EU was a kind of very, very rich superstate. And the money felt out of the air. Where came the money from they didn’t know. Unbelievable. I think now they understand that.

        We will see Pim. De tijd zal het leren. (sorry, I don’t know how tot express this in English)

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      • Where does the 80% come from and even more important, do the Greek know what it will cost them to stay within the straitjacket that a monetary union (per definition) is.

        Danmark has remained outside the Eurozone and is doing quite well. Poland is also outside and doesn’t have any inclination to join.

        So if you trust your politicians to take smart decisions, there is life outside the Eurozone as well.

        In or out the Eurozone Greece has to reform it’s economy and these reforms will cause hardship.

        That France looks sympathetic to the Greek cause is bullshit. The French are a self centered and inward looking people. They don’t give a shit about the plight of the Greek.

        They are worried that if leaving the Eurozone becomes possible, one day the Germans will decide THEY will leave the Eurozone and that should be avoided at all cost.

        And that may indeed be the final goal of Mr. Schäuble. Creating a possibility that a country can leave the eurozone, so in the end, when there is a precedent, Germany can leave themselves.

        Furthermore Schäuble does only what his voters expect him to do. To keep their currency safe and sound. And the Germans are prepared to make sacrifices for that purpose. Not so the French or the Italians and the Greek. They love to have a sound currency that allows them to borrow cheap, they hate the sacrifices that come with it.

        So there is much more on the table than what the majority of the Greek people want.
        If they are smart, they give Germany what it wants and negotiate an orderly exit from the eurozone.

        As I said, there is life outside the Eurozone and a surprisingly fast recovery could be at the horizon.

        If they are smart, Syriza should grab that opportunity and at the same time reform their economy. But as long as they try to turn Greece into a west-european Cuba, Greece really will be fucked up.

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  5. @ LeaNder

    Ah, I didn’t realize but similar to Dutch.

    Haus = huis huisje = small house. There also is another more common one “tje”

    Frau = vrouw vrouwtje = small woman.

    @iGlinavos

    Perhaps you should consider to allow for longer threads.

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    • Pim, its long ago, but I think “vrouw” or “vrouwe” is a variant you can still find in Middle High German texts. Could even have been a standard in Old German. It’s long ago. 😉

      My sister had a slight dyslexia, What I found interesting, is that she was really good at guessing the meaning of words in Middle and Old English texts. Strictly I wondered if she would.

      After all the printers and their little “devils”, or their apprentices, didn’t worry too much about a standard spelling when they printed the Shakespeare Folio. It doesn’t really cause problems, if I word is spelled differently on the same page.

      I once wanted to learn Dutch/Vlaams. Never did. But if I am really curious, I can read a text with a little effort anyway. I realized, when I stumbled across a nice crowd of kids from the Netherlands as a teenager on holidays. As a reader of course I took a look at their books and was surprised how easily you could guess. Spoken language is a little bit more difficult to understand. Huis, is pretty easy to guess, you may have realized, just as the diminutive variants.

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      • I’ve been told that Diets (or Deutsch) was the dialect spoken in the northern part of Germany and Holland. Eventually replaced by “Hochdeutsch” the written language from the Munich area.

        It seems that if you speak the dialect of our northern province you can make yourself understandable to dialect speakers up to Denmark.

        I can’t make any sense of the spoken version of Danisch, but the written version is easier to understand..

        If Holland would ever become part of Germany, we would probably considered the Greek of Germany because of our unconventional attitudes.

        All is relative

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      • ” Eventually replaced by “Hochdeutsch” the written language from the Munich area.”

        I hate it– if I may, the word was so much on my mind as a juvenile up to the point I wondered, if I shouldn’t better kill myself, since didn’t I after all couldn’t it be I hated myself most? …

        Maybe I should thus censor the word, but yes, I really hate the idea of equating Germany with Bavaria.

        You are kidding me of course? Should we go into the Great Vowel Shift? I wondered about that when I was forced to go back into Old and Middle High German after chancing universities.

        How many challengers are there in economy and what is the basis for their attitude of telling us that the respective rules they follow are solid and should thus be followed? Printing your own money and inflation is the way to go.

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        No, Hochdeutsch is actually the German spoken in the Hanover region. For one simple reason, the monk Martin Luther was from close by.

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        The reality is that Bavaria has it’s own conservative party which is the locally specific part of our Christian Democrats.Christian Social Union So that prejudices where served up on a silver platter may have to do, that it serves them well to uphold prejudices and/or the reduction of Germany to the “Oktoberfest” in Munich. 😉

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      • I obviously won’t argue with you about the origin of hochdeutsch in respect to niederdeutsch.

        This blog is about Greek and their lack of money.

        To me its simple, if you are in a monetary union, you abide by its rules. If you don’t want to, get out of the union.

        The problem there is, that if Greece is allowed to leave the union. It theoretical also is possible that Germany would decide to leave the union and that is the last thing the southern European peoples would want, because (thus far) Germany has always footed the bill.

        So what will happen? I don’t think the third bail-out will work. It boils down to giving Greece 80 (probably more) billion euro, (they want a debt relief at the same time) in return for promises they can’t or won’t keep. Plus the sale of assets that are valued far to high.

        This will not go down well with countries that have a living standard below Greece, or countries that have cut in their own social security benefits (like Holland). And since in a number of these countries Parliament has to approve the deal, I am no so sure of the outcome. If only one country disapproves the deal is off. So place your bets.

        Further more even northern politicians are keen to have riots in their streets.

        On the other hand if Greece decided to leave the monetary union, it would get help by the transition to the Drachme. It will still own us 300 billion, but that is practically interest free and payment can always be delayed indefinitely. Probably paid when my grandchildren are grandparents..

        Apart from that, a decision like that would clear the air and we would no longer have to accuse one and other of doing terrible things.

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      • Pim: “To me its simple, if you are in a monetary union, you abide by its rules. If you don’t want to, get out of the union”

        Not so, you need a lecture on “democracy”, according to Varoufakis. Legal frames or contracts are “out”. Not “in” once the people decide. If you don’t understand, you must be misguided by
        Neo-Nazi, wait lately it’s Ayatollah Schäuble, or “dusty”:

        Yanis Varoufakis: But] Schäuble was consistent throughout. His view was “I’m not discussing the programme – this was accepted by the previous government and we can’t possibly allow an election to change anything. Because we have elections all the time, there are 19 of us, if every time there was an election and something changed, the contracts between us wouldn’t mean anything.”

        So at that point I had to get up and say “Well perhaps we should simply not hold elections anymore for indebted countries”, and there was no answer. The only interpretation I can give [of their view] is “Yes, that would be a good idea, but it would be difficult to do. So you either sign on the dotted line or you are out.”

        Let’s leave aside that he apparently can read people’s minds. Fascinating, no doubt.

        But let’s look at it mathematically, after all that is Yanis favorite field.

        http://tinyurl.com/Eurozone-member

        Let’s assume that all Greek citizens could vote, ditto the rest of Eurozone citizen.

        If so a Greece vote would mean 3,3% percent of a larger community. If they “democratically decide” they can abolish all the rules agreed on by the representatives of all the other citizen?

        ‘Again assuming that all Greek citizen can vote, and further assuming that about 20% of Greek voters voted Syriza into power, based on the election turnover, that would mean about 0,66% of all Eurozone citizen, can democratically nullify rules by the rest of the Eurozone.

        That’s democracy, stupid. don’t you understand this simple: κανόνας των τριών???

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        Apparently it is even more simple over here in Europe then it will be in the US House and Senate concerning the Iran treaty. They still need a certain amounts of votes over there.

        The problems of the ordinary Greek citizen is a completely different matter. The above is about rules and democracy, and or his insinuations. The commonly understood perspective versus the Yanis Varoufakis variant.

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    • mikenetherlands says:

      No. I I said before, it would be a great idea if yanis switch off the commons. It is not an discusion, it is monologue by a certain Dean.

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    • No doubt well connected. That was the impression I had, and why he drew my attention.

      Actually Norman Lamont is an interesting character. Souvereign Britain

      It was first printed in 1995 and of course is a classic by now. Not only a Euro-skeptic but also against the EU. Fits into his statement that right or left doesn’t matter anymore. After all the British left supports leaving the Union too over the crisis in Greece by now.

      This made me really depressive yesterday. Maybe I should give up the subject altogether.

      Less important, Norman Lamont supported Pinochet.

      But strictly I wondered if this is the connection resulting in some prof in foreign policy and intelligence, who calls him his friend too: Le Cercle

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      • Strictly, it may make sense, considering the old wisdom that art is connected via an “umbilical cord” to bourgeois wealth.

        Notice I respect Clement Greenberg, way beyond the people that try to imitate him. Unfortunately the prof that wanted to start a dialog on the use or misuse of Kant on the larger issue has killed himself by now.

        Avant-Garde and Kitsch

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  6. This is a great cartoon, it would help to explain the situation to the Germans if dubbed into German. Because in Germany they still think the Greeks are still spending on the level of 2009.

    Or an English translation would also be great, that way I could explain the Greek crisis to my kids. They seem to have got the wrong idea, my 8-year old yesterday, when he saw I was writing something on Greece. “You know daddy, the Greeks stole all the money of the Germans…and the English!”

    I do not know where he got that idea from? He obviously has not been reading my blog. 😉

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    • Well, my daughter yesterday (she is 5) expressed her disappointment at the modern criminal justice system. She likes the idea of throwing rotten fruit at convicts (as in the middle ages).

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      • mikenetherlands says:

        Not to forget to mention the pillory, iGlinavos 😉 I real don’t know what everybody is doing except fighting at the moment. SYRYZA is fighting, the creditors are fighting, on Yanis his blog they are fighting. I should say start govern your country and stop fithing at windmills.

        I think Web2 is a modern version of the good old pillory. So, your daughter gets what she wants in fact.

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      • Iannos, I wondered if I should respond to this yesterday.

        Do you feel that your daughter is able with 5 to grasp the idea of prison?

        Did you ever go to a zoo with her? If so, that could explain the images she tried to draw on in an attempt to understand.

        I suffered seriously from the fact that my parents didn’t understand the different developments of me (female) and my one year older brother. I only realized when I sat next to a couple, both profs, decades later. But then it was too late.

        How can you suggest a 5 year old is able to express “disappointment at the modern criminal justice system”. Seriously, was this a joke?

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    • As far as the Dutch are concerned, the Greek may spend as many Euro’s as they earn and as many Drachme’s as they can print.

      Problems arise only if they spent more than they can earn or print.

      That’s a privilege only the Americans have. 😉

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    • Thanks Iannos, it puzzled me. After all I haven’t been around for a long time.

      If there is a real 5 year old daughter, take care of her. 😉

      But yes, I rarely mark irony online – Irony alert.

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  7. @ iGlinavos,

    Why don’t you use the reblog facility on Yanis blog so we can comment on his articles here.
    Unfavorable comments on his blog don’t pass the moderator.

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    • Even I cannot keep up with the posts of Yanis, so do not wish to populate my blog with his posts. I discovered that you can post a comment as you are reblogging onto your own blog, try it and see if it works.

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      • My own blog is in Dutch and is about local politics. No point in reblogging Yanis.

        But if you want your blog to be the focus point on critics on Yanis policy, than you should reblog the posts which are open for critic.
        .
        You will get the opening lines on your blog (the full article remains at Yanis blog) but by doing you have created a subject which can be commented.

        It saves you time (you don’t have to come up with a subject all the time) and it allows a debate on a Yanis proposal. A debate he makes impossible by monitoring the contributions.

        I don’t know if you are using the wordpress reader, but that is about the excerpt you get on your blog when you reblog.

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      • Well, Pim, it’s an hint. Isn’t it?

        I looked at your blog yesterday and realized your focus is local. And that means after all you may be political, only not “macropolicial” the way he may want you to be. (neologism based on macropolitics). But strictly your local focus would be supported by EU’s “principle of subsidiarity”. At least as long as Greece doesn’t want to overturn every rule we so far agreed on..

        Notice, beyond not being able to comment. I have to agree with you its rare, and I never really encountered it with someone who talks about democracy. No doubt a difficult affair.

        But here are his contact options:
        Academic Conference
        Commercial or trade conference
        University Seminar
        Keynote
        Media Event
        Media Interview

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    • I just wanted to help. After all Yanis is churning out articles at an alarming pace. By reblogging some the them you create points of discussion without any effort.

      By reading Yanis blog you get the impression that there is hardly any opposition against his point of view. By reproducing his views on this blog and without suppressing comments you realize there is.

      But of course is up to Ianos. If I were him I would also look for another blog theme. This one is probably fine for publishing pictures and a few comments, but for more intensive discussions it’s a drag.

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  8. mikenetherlands says:

    Like I said before, why should you want to post on the blog of Professor Yanis? The comments are one, big monologue from Dean Plassaras. And the level has dropt to a slum level. Sorry, I like an discussion, but I also like a certain level. I don’t know who the moderator is, but I can’t imagine it’s Yanis, who is always polity and friendly.

    The fool who is moderating Yanis blog is damaging him at the moment. My impression is, what a bunch of idiots over there.

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      • mikenetherlands says:

        His press secretary is an disaster. Although a am a philhellene, pro SYRIZA, a fan of Yanis, I getting more and more the idea his press secretary is chancing him in Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf, Iraqi Minister of Information. Dimitris Yannopoulos is complet incompetent.

        Yanis should kick the guy out of his office, take a break, go to an small island, hopefully without internet, take a few good books to read with him and should take a walk on the beach every day. And that for at least three months

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    • Mike, yes the cheerleader is interesting:

      Dean Plassaras: the fact that Dean Plassaras is the lead voice is easy to see. But recently they let slip a couple of critical or commentaries asking simple questions slip. And that may have to do with the fact that the people are connected to blogs.

      By the way Dean Plassaras also has exactly three book reviews on Amazon, check it. It’s interesting. c

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    • Indeed the cheerleading is sometimes silly, but look at his stats.

      In favour of Varoufakis’ Plan B – by Paul Tyson, has been shared on facebook 140 times and on twitter 448 times.

      That is a long way to go for Ianos. Perhaps you gain some notoriety if this was partly a copy of Yanis blog (through reblogging) on which critical commenting is allowed.

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      • Pim, if I recall a phrase from your blog correctly, and/or did not misread: One needs time and, if I may add, attention. Attention is what Yanis wants and needs. He surely can uphold it for a while by recycling old US economical wisdom within certain variations to fit the Greek crisis that the Euro is doomed anyway.

        I never considered myself important enough to start a blog. But yes, I seem to like people in the comment sections. And on some blogs after a while they seem to be like old friends. 😉

        But yes, I created a blog, and will try if it works to get through occasionally. At least maybe. Can’t promise. though. 😉

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      • @LeaNder

        Well, I could plea with Ianos but what the heck, I could do it myself.

        So I created a blog on which people who don’t totally agree on all what Yanis says or presents may leave a comment.

        The blog is a carbon copy from Yanis blogposts from juli 14. onwards I wont do a lot of writing myself, but look out for other blogs I can reblog.

        Some work still has to be done, but have a first look at https://contradictingyanis.wordpress.com
        I’m open for sugestions.

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